They Want to Erase Us: A "Season of Destruction" -- Eddie Glaude Jr & Imani Perry
We are living through what Dr. Imani Perry calls a "season of destruction," a deliberate era where the legacy of the freedom movement is being erased. In this riveting dialogue, Glaude and Dr. Imani Perry do not just lament the state of the nation; they dissect the very soul of American democracy.
The conversation centers on a powerful dialectic: "freedom snatching" versus "freedom seeking". Dr. Imani Perry argues that we must look beyond the mid-20th-century Civil Rights movement—which we often view as the norm—and instead study the "plague years" following Reconstruction to understand our current crisis. It is in those moments of profound betrayal, such as the era of the Fugitive Slave Law, where we find the blueprint for how to build in the face of catastrophe.
Perhaps the most provocative thread is their critique of modern success. Imani Perry poses a haunting question: What is freedom? Is it merely the ability to live like middle-class white people?. The scholars warn against a "Black neoliberalism" that equates freedom with material access while ignoring the erosion of the very institutions—the "barrier islands"—that once protected Black communities from the storm.
This is not a conversation about despair; it is a call to reconstruction. As Eddie Glaude Jr. notes, the work of building isn't just about political victories; it is a "fortification," a space for self-creation and love in a society where white supremacy remains the baseline condition.
This episode is part of the ongoing conversations hosted by Baldwin & Co., a Black-owned bookstore, café, and cultural institution based in New Orleans. Baldwin & Co. exists at the intersection of literature, ideas, and community—creating space for rigorous dialogue, storytelling, and intellectual exchange.
The conversation centers on a powerful dialectic: "freedom snatching" versus "freedom seeking". Dr. Imani Perry argues that we must look beyond the mid-20th-century Civil Rights movement—which we often view as the norm—and instead study the "plague years" following Reconstruction to understand our current crisis. It is in those moments of profound betrayal, such as the era of the Fugitive Slave Law, where we find the blueprint for how to build in the face of catastrophe.
Perhaps the most provocative thread is their critique of modern success. Imani Perry poses a haunting question: What is freedom? Is it merely the ability to live like middle-class white people?. The scholars warn against a "Black neoliberalism" that equates freedom with material access while ignoring the erosion of the very institutions—the "barrier islands"—that once protected Black communities from the storm.
This is not a conversation about despair; it is a call to reconstruction. As Eddie Glaude Jr. notes, the work of building isn't just about political victories; it is a "fortification," a space for self-creation and love in a society where white supremacy remains the baseline condition.
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Creators and Guests
Guest
Eddie S. Glaude Jr.
James S. McDonnell Distinguished University Professor | Find more of my thoughts at https://t.co/mJL3X6ZMf4
Guest
Imani Perry
She/her/hers. Writer/intellectual/mother Professor @Harvard rep. by @CindyUh @CAA Speaking @LyceumAgency
